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:bounce bounce:

As I've mentioned from time to time, my current research interest has to do with parametrizing polygons - coming up with quantities which somehow characterize them, distinguishing different (for various values of the word) polygons from each other. My main focus for the last while has been the classification of quadrilaterals up to affine equivalence. (Two quadrilaterals are "affine equivalent" if you can turn one into the other by applying a matrix and/or a translation.) I solved that problem, in one sense, quite a while ago; I have two parameters which do the job completely. (Two quadrilaterals give the same values for those parameters if and only if they're affine equivalent.) But, though I could compute the parameters for any quadrilateral, I had no clear idea of their meaning. Other lines of research gave tantalizing hints, but nothing I could really get a grip on.

The tide finally came in last week: I came up with solid and interesting geometric interpretations of both parameters. (One measures the failure of the diagonals to bisect each other; the other is determined by, on the one hand, the failure of the diagonals to bisect the quadrilateral, and on the other by the failure of the midlines - the lines connecting the midpoints of opposite sides - to do so.)

Tonight, a new thought struck me, and about forty minutes of computation gave me a second, completely different and equally interesting interpretation. Now I've got a link between two different properties of quadrilaterals.

Throw in those tantalizing hints I mentioned before, and I've got meat enough for my next paper.

:bounce bounce:

Date: 2007-02-02 02:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-02-02 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hornedhopper.livejournal.com
That *new* thought moment where disparate facts suddenly align themselves in a startling but *right* frame is fabulous, innit?

You must be feeling so ready to start - congrats on the inspiration, and good luck with the writing!

Date: 2007-02-02 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoutfellow.livejournal.com
The more I think about what I discovered last night, the more it explains - things I'd noticed previously keep slotting into place. So yeah, it's fabulous.

I'm going to let it steep for the weekend, and start working on an outline on Monday.

Thanks for the good wishes!

Date: 2007-02-02 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hornedhopper.livejournal.com
"things I'd noticed previously keep slotting into place. So yeah, it's fabulous."

How wonderful! Your subconscious must be rubbing its little grey hands with glee.

Date: 2007-02-02 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kattsune.livejournal.com
That's fantastic! That click-y feeling is better than breathing sometimes (which, I think, is why I find that I've either been holding it during the entire revelation or failed to do it right and hyperventilated), but I'm curious... what do you *do* with this information? How will it be used?

I hope this isn't a dumb question. I passed Calc II and enjoyed it, but that was more because I like formulas and equations to find the *right* answer than I ever understood how it related to physical life. I'm an uninspired mathmetician, as you can tell.

Date: 2007-02-02 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoutfellow.livejournal.com
You've touched on something important, and often unrecognized. For many, perhaps most, mathematicians - and I'm one of them - the point is not utility. For us, mathematics is an art form; the point is the discovery - or invention, depending on your philosophy - of beauty. (The highest praise for a proof is for it to be called "elegant".) It's an austere kind of beauty, perhaps, best analogous to the sweeping lines of a great building, but it's there.

On the other hand, there's a famous cautionary tale. G. H. Hardy, of Oxford, was so adamant on this point that he insisted that the only good mathematics was that which had no application whatsoever. In one of his books - or perhaps in a lecture, but I think a book - he pointed to a particular theorem of number theory (which was his own field) as quintessential mathematics; it was utterly inconceivable, he said, that it would ever find application. This was in the teens or twenties of the last century. Sometime in the 1940s, Claude Shannon found an application of the theorem. (It's useful in cryptography and computer science.)

There are too many stories like that for anyone to be too confident that any given piece of mathematics will never find use. But I suspect, for various reasons, that mine will not find application in my lifetime. I just think it's pretty.

Date: 2007-02-02 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kattsune.livejournal.com
I wholeheartedly applaud that answer. Thank you.

Date: 2007-02-02 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
Wow. Now *that's* cool. Applied mathematics can be lovely (just look at your average pieced quilt), but pure mathematics as art form is just too nifty for words.

That light bulb over your head really is gleaming nicely.

Date: 2007-03-28 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenite.livejournal.com
I suspect you're not familiar with [livejournal.com profile] archangelbeth's Illuminati University (http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/IOU/), so let me share a bit from the departmental descriptions:

College of Zen Surrealism:
Department of Inapplicable Mathematics
Since sufficiently advanced mathematics is indistinguishable from surrealism, the "pure math" people have ended up here. ("Applied Mathematics" lives over in WUSE*) In fact, advanced theoretical math is so disconnected from reality that surrealism is concrete in comparison.

There is no market for graduates of this department whatsoever, except for a few who become university mathematics professors.

A well-kept secret at IOU is the fact that the output of some of the departments here actually have practical applications. It is especially important to keep the professors in CZS from discovering this, lest they suffer from the Centipede's Dilemma.

*WUSE: The College of Weird and Unnatural Sciences and Engineering. Specializes in computers, gadgets, and explosions.

Date: 2007-03-28 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoutfellow.livejournal.com
Sounds like fun; I may order a copy one of these days. (I just made an Amazon run a couple of days ago, so it'll have to wait a bit.)

Date: 2007-02-02 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
Congratulations. I'm not sure whether to be sad or relieved that I understood about one word in four of that explanation, but I am happy for you, anyway.

I got about as far as analytic geometry, and that was thirty years ago [g].

Date: 2007-02-03 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ndrosen.livejournal.com
Congratulations! More professional (and professorial) kudos for you.

Date: 2007-02-05 07:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filkferengi
Careful, professor; judging by the fashioning of your phrasing, your [Euclidean] foundation garment is showing. ;)

Congratulations; that's downright nifty!

W, SF, W!

Date: 2007-02-07 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toraks.livejournal.com

CONGRATS!! A bit late, but a breakthrough is worth celebrating anytime!!

That sounds really cool!!!

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