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stoutfellow ([personal profile] stoutfellow) wrote2006-09-23 09:03 am
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Compromise, Hell!

The debate in Congress over torture simply sickens me. The ballyhooed "compromise" between the Bush White House and Senators Warner, McCain, and Graham is nothing of the kind. John Cole (no liberal, he) has sounded off on it, and there's much more at Balkinization.

The provisions on torture are bad enough, but even such protections as are included are eviscerated by the stripping of the right to habeas corpus. Hilzoy has a good recap at Obsidian Wings.

As Tevye the dairyman puts it, in one of the best scenes from "Fiddler on the Roof": "On the other hand... No. No. There is no other hand. NO!"

[identity profile] khavrinen.livejournal.com 2006-09-23 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I often think of those scenes with Tevye when I have to make decisions, because I'm so much of a wishy-washy, grey area person that I usually end up with more "hands" than all the poker tables in Vegas. On this issue, however, I'm afraid that I'm totally in the black and white: Torture is wrong. Period. The "good guys" don't torture prisoners, peopple who torture prisoners aren't the "good guys". Maybe I read too many comic books as a child.

[identity profile] ndrosen.livejournal.com 2006-09-23 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
That's telling 'em.
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[personal profile] filkferengi 2006-10-01 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you follow [livejournal.com profile] filkertom's journal? His post on this appeared on my f-list right next to yours, here: http://filkertom.livejournal.com/477319.html

Great [and aggrieved] minds are thinking alike.

You should add him to your list. You'd probably like the politics, whereas I'm mainly there for the music [http://www.tomsmithonline.com/ , which you need to check out instanter for cool songs, many of them free, and some political].